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Bug when expanding folders in Explorer (Server 2008 R2 and Windows 7) by Ivo

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Opened:	11/12/2010 9:42:09 AM
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When you expand a folder in Explorer sometimes the folder jumps DOWN to the bottom, obscuring the child folders - the very folders I am trying to navigate to.

Steps to repro:
1) Open a new Explorer window
2) Expand a few big folders like Program Files, so the contents of the tree control don't fit and there is room to scroll
3) Put the scrollbar somewhere in the middle, so there is room to scroll up and down
4) Select a folder that hasn't been expanded yet
5) Click on the arrow next to the selected folder to expand it

Observed behavior:
The selected folder moves DOWN, and its sub-folders go off-screen

The desired behavior:
The selected folder moves UP, so I can see its sub-folders. That was the behavior for every previous version of Windows, dating back to Windows 95

If I collapse the folder and expand it again the bug doesn't repeat. It only happens the first time the folder is expanded, and only happens if the folder is selected

I did some testing and discovered that Explorer sends the message TVM_ENSUREVISIBLE for the first root tree item after it is done adding the sub-folders to the tree control. This causes the tree to scroll all the way up to the top. Then there is a second TVM_ENSUREVISIBLE with the folder I just expanded, causing the tree to bring the folder into view, but it is somewhere near the bottom the control.

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When expanding a folder it should move up to reveal its contents. This behavior is built into the system tree control. All Explorer needs to do is not send TVM_ENSUREVISIBLE for the root item.

The current behavior is very inconsistent and is in no way by design. When people expand folders with the mouse without selecting a folder first the bug doesn't manifest. But for people using the keyboard it happens all the time, because the only way to expand a folder is to select it first.

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Posted by xpclient on 5/16/2012 at 1:29 AM

The biggest shock is that Microsoft knows about this bug and has fixed it for Windows 8 Explorer and even written about it on their blog. But they don't care about Windows 7 customers any more? Why can't a hotfix fix this ASAP?

Posted by jrowellfx on 5/10/2012 at 7:19 PM

I've been using win7 for a couple of years now, personally, I find it to be a huge improvement over XP. However, this particular bug has been annoying me since day one - for some reason I never tried Googling to see if anyone else is annoyed by it also, until today. Lo-and behold I find thousands upon thousands of you other folks also annoyed by this.

The fact that everyone in the universe who uses windows7 doesn't also complain about this bug is no indication that they aren't annoyed by it - they might not even be consciously aware of it. Like me - I was always concentrating on something else I was trying to accomplish and just suffered quietly with the annoyance - for some reason today (after two years) it annoyed me past the point of acceptance.

I was fully expecting to find a "work around" or some setting in the new win7 environment that I needed to set to make it work AT LEAST as well as it used to in XP - but nope.

I think the free-market is failing us. I see an opportunity here for some free-wheeling ambulance chasing lawyers to go after MS with a class action lawsuit and bring a lawsuit against them for exacerbating peoples carpal tunnel issues, or tendon issues like "tennis elbow" a common problem with us mouse-clickers. The cost to us is not just wasted time and productivity, it's a health issue. Those two issues together come with a fairly hefty price tag - and that's how a settlement will be reached.

...or Microsoft could respect their users and fix such an annoying bug and stop dragging their heels!

That said, I have dealt with MS tech engineers in helping me to work through another problem, and while it took a fairly long time, they were really helpful and respectful and it was a basically good experience. I'm kind of surprised that this complaint hasn't been dealt with. I'm certain that there is some keen engineer at MS who'd love to dig in and make himself a little project and fix this bug - if he/she hasn't done so already.

Anyway, this bug really MUST be fixed. It's actually hurting me. (Yes I have tennis elbow).

Posted by whmccall on 5/9/2012 at 7:15 AM

In a corporate network with thousands of servers, the scroll is insane. It will keep 'discovering' and adding servers and scrolling your selected server and folder set out of sight. FREQUENTLY you will click on a folder only to find that you have clicked on the wrong folder as the set moved under your mouse. This issue is frustrating in the extreme.

Posted by Willutah on 5/8/2012 at 7:12 AM

As a Microsoft Developer it is actually little annoying bugs like this combined with Microsoft's unwillingness to fix these things in a timely manor that has driven me to ditch Windows and Microsoft software completely on all my home machines. At home I am now have a 100% Linux environment based on my experiences with annoyances like this. You see as you get older you like less and less to deal with little nit-picky annoyances. I would highly recommend that Microsoft issues a patch for the folder jump bug. As you can see from the date of this initial post it has been a long time for this minor bug to be fixed. I appreciate that Microsoft has to add new features and new experiences to the next version of windows, but fixing the small bugs like this quickly, and listening to customers is what makes customers stay customers. Especially in the current environment Microsoft would do well to pay attention to the concerns of their clients. As you have already lost me as a phone, computer, HTPC, and tablet user, you would do well to actually listen to the concerns of your average user.

Posted by Stevens Miller on 5/6/2012 at 10:28 AM

This behavior makes no sense. MS, please make it work the way it used to.

Posted by AmigoCaxias on 5/5/2012 at 3:49 PM

Dear Microsoft,

When are you going to fix this annoying bug?

FIX IT PLEASE!

Posted by costinel1 on 4/27/2012 at 3:59 PM

Dear Microsoft,
you fixed this nasty bug in windows 8 cp.

please also bring back the windows single-click expanding (JUST expanding, not launching), they way it perfectly worked under windows xp:

http://connect.microsoft.com/WindowsServerFeedback/feedback/details/313066/explorer-should-expand-folder-tree-the-windows-xp-way

Posted by MystipherChristopher on 4/18/2012 at 8:24 AM

I completely agree with "3cziggy" below. I, too, am always using Explorer ALL DAY...EVERY DAY and this "bug" has become a major inconvenience. We, the people, have put our faith and trust in you, Microsoft, to equip our nation's corporate sector with software capable of helping us not only to rise above our competition, but to do so in a professional and timely manner.

On a global scale, our entire world is in financial difficulty and we need as many "glitch-free" tools that we can get to help us get through the storm. You, Microsoft, have a product that helps us get through that storm, and when we need to open an umbrella, it is more helpful if it doesn't have any holes in it.

In a situation like this, you're the parent and we are the children. We must trust you to do what's best for us ALL...

Will you please give us the assurance we need?

Posted by mugi1 on 4/15/2012 at 8:22 PM

when will this stupid bug be fixed?

Posted by togetfiles on 4/14/2012 at 7:50 PM

It's a simple psychological ploy, so get used to 'em... and u can expect no resolution as they are there to stay.

Posted by 3cziggy on 4/3/2012 at 8:12 AM

This is an issue that cannot be ignored any longer. As the former 15-year IT manager at my firm, I've experienced boatloads of issues, and I understand the complexity of various systems. Stuff happens. But this is really poorly-designed and speaks badly to MS's design process: common sense is absent here. As a scientist, I conduct file-heavy work on a daily basis and this issue actually interferes with my job. This can't be all that difficult to fix, and it's unrealistic to ask millions of annoyed users to find a workaround (for something that's not actually a bug) or purchase another file manager. Remember why you're doing this, MS: User ease, simplicity and comfort. My guess would be that the design teams need to get out more and listen to the folks who actually have to work with this stuff every day.

FIX THIS, PLEASE!!

Posted by Maximilian Haru Raditya on 3/31/2012 at 2:45 AM

MS, please provide a patch for this. It's a very annoying behavior.

Thanks!

Posted by blufie on 3/29/2012 at 1:25 PM

Surely this can be patched Microsoft!!

This bug has cause me to copy and attempt to past the wrong folder more times than I care to admit. I have even had to search for one that I inadvertently moved to the the wrong place while dragging. It is unexpected and a potential negative impact to users. Thank you.

Posted by Major Malfunction on 3/25/2012 at 7:33 AM

@ Dave Black
I thought I read somewhere that Microsoft has already fixed this bug but it's being purposefully withheld from being applied to Windows 7. To receive a working version of Windows Explorer, you need to open your wallet and purchase Windows 8.

Right nice kick in the nuts. Reminds me of that weird Japanese game show, Gaki no Tsukai.

Posted by Dave Black on 3/20/2012 at 5:16 AM

Hello? Microsoft? Bueller? It's been a while and nobody from MS has provided an update on this!

Posted by CompComp on 3/14/2012 at 9:21 AM

I fully agree that (a) this is a bug and (b) it must be fixed in Windows 7, not just punted off into Windows 8.

Despite MSoft's enthusiasm, there are those of us who remain skeptical about the usability of Windows 8 as a _desktop_ OS. Whether or not I buy a Windows tablet, I will still have a desktop computer as my main workhorse. And I have no intention of installing Windows 8 on it (except as a VM for testing) until I'm d*mn sure every aspect of it performs satisfactorily...including Windows Explorer!

Posted by Alex_AK on 3/11/2012 at 7:09 AM

LOL MS jokers...problem was first reported in 2009 and still no fix.
Plus you still can't add you own short cuts in the menu bar as with previous versions.
MS need to go back to learning basics.

But all wait, this is fixed in W8; now just waiting to see what they broke instead to p. us off for the next 3 years.

Posted by marcus_c_f on 3/5/2012 at 8:25 AM

Please, Microsoft, this need to be fixed in WINDOWS 7!

Posted by xpclient on 2/18/2012 at 11:50 PM

Microsoft has fixed this for Windows 8 Beta but WHAT ABOUT WINDOWS 7!!! We have to upgrade to a newer version of Windows to get an Explorer bug fixed?? Does Microsoft think because Classic Shell fixes it on Windows 7, they shouldn't??

Posted by dynapb on 2/13/2012 at 10:13 AM

This bug needs a fix for Windows 7. It is a pain in the butt and makes Windows 7 look like a crude program compared to XP (and Vista by the way).

Posted by ADIVAsocial on 2/8/2012 at 12:48 AM

From nov. 2010 (first post) to now (feb 2012 !!!), microsoft does not have fixed this problem or suggested any kind of solution!
IT'S AMAZING!
Very well done microsoft!

Posted by LemonadeAust on 2/4/2012 at 9:40 PM

The primary task of an Operating System is to intermediate between the user and the hardware. One of the first and primary 'applications' of operating systems is FILE MANAGEMENT.

Since Microsoft has been in the OS business so long, by now Windows SHOULD have the leading file manager around - you'd think!! But Microsoft seems to have been more concerned with pretty aero etc.

Not only getting this wrong, but then having its representatives JUSTIFY it by saying it's a by-design-feature is the last straw ... but ...

Unfortunately, this is the OS that we have all hung our hopes on for so long, and continue to do so. Unless I'm mistaken, we will continue to buy this OS at least into the medium-term future.

Microsoft clearly has no problems with having us pay for bug fixes. Why on earth would they bother to fix it in the current version?

Posted by CCR Group on 2/4/2012 at 7:49 AM

While we are talking about file management issues, we need some serious work in this area. An advanced interface that is plain and customizable. I use Directory Opus now and I could buy a Windows upgrade for the price. The ribbon waists so much screen space. Perhaps it is fine for other users that want that pretty picture, but for hard core file management it just doesn't get the job done. I would like to see folder and sub-folder sizes, faster copy and move operations with optiosn and verification option and not just between two Windows 8 Machines. I hope that WebDAV gets fixed in Windows 8 (I haven't tried it yet.) A set of navigation controls along with a dual pane explorer option versus the single pane would be nice. I know these issues don't apply to all users. For musicians, video, small offices, and such this is a really important issue and it is about time we had a real file management capability. Optional of course, but in there.

Thanks,
Cyrus

Posted by Jaka Mon on 2/4/2012 at 2:39 AM

None of the 'workarounds' apply / fix it. All the suggestions to 'uncheck' this or that option are moot because it is ALREADY unchecked.

So ASSuming MS has 'fixed' this in Win8 (and there are conflicting reports), one might wonder if NOT providing a patch/fix for this destructive bug in Win7 is a deliberate attempt to FORCE users to PAY to fix this bug by FORCING users to upgrade to Win8.

If true, I fear other similarly annoying anti-productive bugs to be planted / approved in Win8 to FORCE the next upgrade... and so on and so forth. This is NOT corporate behavior deserving of any loyalty whatsoever.

Perhaps the new MicroSoft Windows slogan should be "Abandon hope, all ye who enter here", or simply "Users be damned".

Has ANY official MicroSoft rep given an explanation as to how/why this clearly erroneous behavior was allowed to escape into a production product, much less why it has not already been fixed, and giving a date certain that it WILL be fixed for those of us who paid hard earned cash to purchase a defective Win7 product?

Could we please get an official MicroSoft response as to WHEN THIS WILL BE FIXED IN WIN7?
Ray - has this been brought to your attention yet?

Posted by radpolon on 2/3/2012 at 1:22 PM

Anybody can tell my why. why this options was removed from vista and windows 8??? Come on!!?

•    Adds a toolbar to Explorer for some common operations (Go to parent folder, Cut, Copy, Paste, Delete, Properties, Email). The toolbar is fully customizable
•    Replaces the copy UI in Vista and Windows 7 with the more user-friendly “classic” version similar to Windows XP
•    Handles Alt+Enter in the folder panel of Windows Explorer and shows the properties of the selected folder
•    Has options for customizing the folder panel to look more like the Windows XP version or to not fade the expand buttons
•    Can show the free disk space and the total size of the selected files in the status bar
•    Can disable the breadcrumbs in the address bar
•    Fixes a long list of features that are broken in Windows 7 – missing icon overlay for shared folders, the jumping folders in the navigation pane, missing sorting headers in list view, and more

Posted by radpolon on 2/3/2012 at 1:20 PM

JAWAKA1 SAYS:
Microsoft fixed the "navigation pane scrolling issue" in Windows 8 beta.

it took so much time WHY?

Posted by Jawaka1 on 2/1/2012 at 10:36 PM

Microsoft fixed the "navigation pane scrolling issue" in Windows 8 beta.

http://blogs.msdn.com/b/b8/archive/2012/01/30/acting-on-file-management-feedback.aspx

Posted by Marcel Marth on 1/31/2012 at 11:32 AM

Vista doesn't have this "feature" - it scrolls the selected folder to the top, but XP is the preferred action.

Posted by costinel1 on 1/28/2012 at 2:46 AM

Many of you would also want to vote this bug too, which is almost as annoying:
http://connect.microsoft.com/WindowsServerFeedback/feedback/details/313066/explorer-should-expand-folder-tree-the-windows-xp-way

Posted by j1234567890j on 1/25/2012 at 1:28 PM

I have read this behavior is in w8. Must be the usual: the programmers/managers do not use the feature, in this case the folder list. Hence no awareness of the issue.

Posted by ghSea on 1/25/2012 at 11:26 AM

It's appalling that this issue is still unanswered, and unresolved. Functioning as designed or not, to the users it is definitely a bug, a reduction of efficiency, a distraction, an annoyance, a degradation of functionality, a liability, and a bad design choice that needs to be remedied. Microsoft's silence is deafening; it is shameful for such a basic navigational travesty not only to be released, but to last through a service pack, and then to be promoted to the next OS. MS needs to swallow the Customer Service Pill, own up to the poor design, and fix the damned thing.

Posted by sydor01 on 1/19/2012 at 12:00 PM

This is the only, and I mean ONLY reason I am still using WinXP. I thank the stars every day that I didn't go with a full upgrade to Win7 on my system and chose to implement a dual-boot WinXP/Win7 configuration. Right now, I only use Win7 when I absolutely have to, which is a shame because it's a beautiful piece of work. Except. For. That. Idiotic. Folder. Jump. BUG!!! I've spent a great deal of thought trying to determine the "we know better than you" logic that the MS engineers love to weave into their interfaces. Admittedly, many times they are right and develop very clever and ingenious methods. But this one just absolutely bewilders me. "This feature is by design"???????

I would love to get out of XP, but just won't do it. Right now, I'm in a holding pattern waiting for certain key applications I use to become compatable with SUSE or Ubuntu. Or, waiting for MS to clear the fog from their heads and fix this "feature" that NO ONE could possibly like.

I think the only way MS will get past their arrogance and ignorance on this issue is if this problem somehow went viral. Youtube, reddit, twitter, ... any mass exposure that will show MS just how badly this one little problem can dramatically affect their current and future product lines.

Posted by Scott Nicholls on 1/17/2012 at 4:59 PM

The selected folder scrolling to the bottom of the pane is surely a regression. Why would someone want this functionality? Who wants their selected folders contents automatically hidden from view? I'm stumped.

It's such a frustrating issue, having to constantly scroll. Every time I click a folder, I hesitate with the thought of "Will it stay? Will it go to the top? Will it go to the bottom?". *click* .. where'd it go? Oh there it is. *scroll* *click* ... where'd it go? oh there it is ... etc etc etc

My suggestion is for the selected folder in the left pane to automatically scroll to the top every time. A consistent outcome.

Please , pretty please, cherry on top and all that. Fix this. I'll be your best mate!

Posted by Tony Lohrey on 1/15/2012 at 11:29 PM

This bug is costing us time, staff are frustrated and are often heard to raise their voices (at their compters) slamming the mouse on the desk or pushing the keyboard away. Some staff have exhibited elevated stress patterns, so much so, as to walk out. This bug being evident in Windows 8 is a serious concern indeed. We will not be moving to Windows 8. The Apple MAC is looking good at this point in our next major spend. Budget? Five million or more.

Posted by BigJonMX on 1/12/2012 at 9:51 AM

OK, we are going to implement this feature in MS Corporate Offices. Everytime someone sits down at their desk, their desk will move across the room, without them. Of course if you open all the drawers and turn off the lamp, the desk will stop moving - until tomorrow after the cleaners have been.
I'm hoping to implement a similar feature in the Parking Lots - i guess it'll have to involve the chauffeurs driving off when the passanger wants in...

FIX THIS EFFIN' BUG

Posted by BigJonMX on 1/12/2012 at 9:39 AM

None of the workarounds are satisfactory !

Hundreds of complaints here, thousands around the web !

And the bug is now in Windows 8 !!!!!!

Time for Linux ???????????

Posted by atamok on 1/12/2012 at 9:02 AM

This is a very annoying bug... especially since it works correctly in XP; I upgrade my system and have something that does not work correctly.

Posted by ZMSLink1 on 1/12/2012 at 8:01 AM

To whom it may concern: this may seem like a trivial bug but it prompted me to downgrade to XP at work and buy my first Mac for home (which I'm using more and more for work).

Posted by Tony Bromo on 12/29/2011 at 1:51 PM

I work in a managed corporate desktop environment on win7 (x64) and am not so eager to install a 3rd party utility to fix a problem that SHOULD BE a core strength. This behavior is annoying, confusing and should be fixed regardless ASAP.

Posted by mikedervage on 12/24/2011 at 7:10 AM

This annoying Explorer bug causes so much AGGREVATION. I like the suggestion of <Noel Carboni on 12/1/2011 at 1:17 PM>. Give us the option (or better yet, make it the default) to NEVER, EVER change the item in the left pane the user has clicked on. You should, for example, be able to click the <expand flag> for an item in the left pane and immediately re-click it (to collapse) with NO EFFECT. FIX THIS!!! I see there are currently 130 user comments about this BUG, and not a single comment from Microsoft even acknowledging that people think it's a bug. Are we just taking our time to write comments to the bit bucket?

While you're at it, why don't you make the navigation (left) pane of explorer get focus whenever the mouse is in that pane. Then you could point to the navigation pane and use the mouse scroll wheel, select a folder, move the mouse to the contents pane (right pane) and use the mouse wheel to scroll the contents, then move the mouse back to the navigation pane and continue to wheel scroll folders in the navigation pane. Lowly Adobe (gag!) Acrobat (puke!) X does this behavior when displaying the bookmark or pages pane on the left and the document contents pane on the right. You guys are smarter than they are! Fix this.

Posted by JHare on 12/19/2011 at 10:02 AM

I will add one thing here that might have been mentioned already (sorry).

I typically observe that trying to push down through the treeview by double-clicking on the folder name has worse behavior than clicking on the arrow to expand the children on my system.

Double click seems to trigger the repositioning much more dramatically than carefully expanding a folder with the arrow and then single clicking the folder name to show its contents.

Posted by JHare on 12/19/2011 at 9:15 AM

I have a pretty high tolerance for bugs. This one, however, this one bug makes me insane. Even with 1200 dpi vertical resolution, it's so easy to have expanded a few folders and trigger this. Every folder expand triggers this and I'm back to scrolling the left pane again.

OMG, just quit scrolling that left pane! PLEASE!! JUST LEAVE IT RIGHT WHERE I SET IT!! You make me lose my place..every..single..dang..time..I..click..to..expand..a..folder. How could that possibly be a feature unless the goal is to send me to the looney bin.

Sorry guys, terrible UI bug. It annoys me *every* *single* *day* I log into my PC. I'm starting to pine for a Mac.

Posted by Kovyn on 12/7/2011 at 10:02 AM

Also to note, I have deleted a folder or two by accident because of the jumping around that this "feature" implements.

Posted by Kovyn on 12/7/2011 at 9:58 AM

This has plagued me since starting to use Win 7 and I absolutely dislike this so called "feature". I cannot stand it when the folders move around on their own. I am the user. I decide what will move and when. It is unacceptable. There are more than likely thousands more out there experiencing this same stress inducing little problem. Any "feature" should have the option to turn it off. That is the power of choice. The one of which, you Microsoft, are currently denying us.

Posted by OopsIDidItAgain on 12/7/2011 at 7:18 AM

Several things about Windows 7 seem to take longer than XP. It takes more clicks to do the same tasks in Windows 7 than Windows XP. I have access to two Lenovo T400 laptops – same make/model. One is Windows XP while the other is Windows 7. I find the XP computer overall requires much less effort to accomplish a task vs. Windows 7. One area that really stands out over the others is the Windows Explorer navigation pane bounce. The other biggest area is how easy it is to select a file in the right side of Explorer followed by clicking on the same folder in the navigation pane – this happens in an environment filled with distractions. Now hit delete thinking you are deleting from the right side of Explorer, and then find out it actually deleted the entire folder on the left. The trouble with this is if it occurs on a network resource where there is no recycle bin.

Posted by Noel Carboni on 12/1/2011 at 1:17 PM

Here's HOW to fix it. As you can see from all the steps listed here, it might be a long, drawn out fix that may not be trivial, but hey - you're Microsoft. You can do this.

1. Focus on the UI element closest to the mouse.

2. WHATEVER expands, contracts, or changes elsewhere in the folder tree, <b>MAKE DAMNED SURE the UI element closest to the mouse does not move</b>.

I know that was a lot of steps to try to understand all at once, but please try to keep your eye on the prize and I'll bet you can get through it.

Posted by mloh on 12/1/2011 at 8:01 AM

All i can add is that this bug is astonishing annoying. The first few times it was just a nuisance. Over time, it's cause for counting to 10. Seriously, please fix this.

Posted by Twang001 on 12/1/2011 at 2:36 AM

I love Windows 7 - except for this bug, which frustrates me many times, every day.

When you click the folder expander, it should just expand. It should not move.

Moving the folder to the bottom (as W7 does now), so the very children I am trying to see are out of view, is totally illogical.

Posted by orlando74 on 11/30/2011 at 1:54 AM

I can't belive that this bug is still not fixed. Really annoying!

Posted by wurstpelle on 11/27/2011 at 3:26 AM

Cant add new things here except this bug is annoying me for quite a long time.

Posted by kdsdata on 11/23/2011 at 9:05 AM

ClassicShell works better, but only so-so. The reality is that it's not the Windows Explorer that is not working, it is the Treeview Component that's down-graded to a (buggy) very early version where the plus sign was introduced to replace all the handy functions. Changing the Explorer to ClassicShell only works for the Explorer, it does nothing for all the software that needs the Treeview Component for a file or folder operation.

There are other features that have disappeared. The single click to open on a folder is gone. And I don't want to set ALL items to open on single-click, I want just the folder to open, like in XP. (Beta versions of XP didn't have this either. But in those days Microsoft still "listened" to user groups when they submitted good ideas, and they fixed it after about two or three updates, ahh the good old days.)

Next, for instance, the folder icon shows all folders open. Why? They are not "open" until they are clicked. Used to be a handy feature, folders used to be a closed icon. When you clicked on a folder to open it, the icon would change to an open folder. That way you could see which folder you were in when you moved the mouse to the file window and clicked on a file. This is needed because the "selected color" function only works for the item just selected by the mouse. Now the icon doesn't change shape from a "closed" folder to an "open" the folder. Even the highlighting on the folder is very dim when you move the mouse into the file list and click on a file, so you can hardly see which folder you are in. This little "visibility" feature fell victim to the "transparency" camp, where everything must appear see-through.

And why remove the F5 refresh hot key. A refresh is still needed when a computer joins the workgroup. The workgroup is not updated, at least not frequently enough to display a freshly joined computer. The user needs to do a "View" "Refresh". So why remove the hot key F5 for a refresh.

It seems a new team was used for Win 7, and they said "we know better".

I won't complain about a lack of concern for "old" users. That would have been nice, and it is rude to just blow them off. But what would have been nice is to have at least one ergonomic specialist on the team that might have said "that feature (or lack off) causes too many extra mouse clicks".

I have a suggestion, Microsoft - search for "ergonomic". I bet even Bing will find it. It's on wiki. It's really good. It says " Ergonomics is the study of designing equipment and devices that fit the human body, its movements, and its cognitive abilities".

If you (Microsoft) want to get back some of the status, of a great company, that you had (and I am not talking user base) then you might need to consider ergonomics. You might get rid of extra mouse clicks that we complain about. And you might get rid of some of the "build by design" issues that we cognize as idiocy. Thank You.

Posted by chris-developer on 11/23/2011 at 7:25 AM

It is not likely that Microsoft will fix this, they seem to be more motivated making their users dependent rather than making the customers happy.
Look at us, dissatisfied and still using their products(including myself of course).
When the opportunity presents itself to go somewhere else... bye bye microsoft!!

Anyway.... I digress....

I did find another way to navigate the folder structure " ARROW KEYS "

Use the arrow keys to move around and the "ENTER" key when you are on a folder you want to select.

hope this helps

Posted by Yolp Softwaredesign GmbH on 11/23/2011 at 12:23 AM

Microsoft, please, please, PLEASE fix this!

Posted by Mark Gates on 11/21/2011 at 11:08 PM

Crap! My solution stops working when foldertree in leftpane grows so vertical scrollbar appears.
Then JumpingBug is back!
Gosh. This is a bad bad bug.
I am getting ClassicShell. Enough suffering.

Posted by Mark Gates on 11/21/2011 at 10:14 PM

I FIXED IT!! LOOKS LIKE FIRST IN THE WORLD!

PROBABLY HAVE NO LIFE, NO GIRLFRIEND, NO NOTHING BUT I FIXED AT LEAST PARTIALLY THIS PROBLEM DRIVING GLOBAL PUBLIC NUTS!
YOU START A FOLDER OF INTEREST, WHICH IN FACT CAN BE C:\ (ROOT) AS FOLLOWS:
"Explorer /n,/root,C:\SteveBallmerSux"

In this example I only need folder "SteveBallmerSux", but can be your whole drive C:\, or C:\NutJobs.

OK, now try expanding folders (in leftpane)!
They don't jump! EVEN if you view folder's contents in rightpane first, then expand it in leftpane, it behaves like WindowsXP or Vista. Either way, problem solved!

Note: this assumes that both options "expand to current folder" & "show all folders" checkboxes are off in Folder Options, but as we PowerUsers ahve already proven that got ZERO todo with Jumping Bug, I just state the fact they are unchecked here today, sometimes I reenable "show all folders" to see RecycleBin.

WOW. To thank me - email me:
[MetalBlade AT Prodigy DOT net]

I am such a GENIUS.
Just being sarcastic. Meaning - HIGHLY PAID MS SUPPORT TECHS/ENGINEERS couldn't devise this, albeit not "terminal" but best (until Win8 perma-fixes it) solution out to public!
I am an Engineer ==> "Jumping Bug" was unacceptable b/c we constantly work with gobbles & gobbles of files (Docs, CAD/Drawings, Letters, Spreadsheets, Codes/Binaries/C-code, images - Hundreds of Thousands files). I - as all you people, was increasingly intensely determined to fix problem despite catatonic bliss in which Microsoft is cacooned

Earlier proposed solutions were not attractive to me - e.g. "ClassicShell", alternate Explorers like zabkat.com/x2lite, Xplorer2, XYplolrer, and so on - I am not fond of extra bloating, and life's too short to tax my time/CPU resources on running yet another software piece. SO I was determined to find @least temporary tweak:.

I fixed my problem for a specific folder, and next will apply this solution to C:\ root which means whole drive would behave properly.
You can Paypal me $10 everyone. Can't wait to get rich.

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Posted by Mark Gates on 11/20/2011 at 8:44 PM

STEVE BALMER:
YOU DUMBF^^K - DO YOU READ THIS THREAD?
this is a major megabug.
You fix it, or I will fix my company switching to SLED (SUSE Linux Enterprise).

Posted by miceagol on 11/18/2011 at 1:47 AM

This bug steals some extra minutes of my time at work everyday, since I have to scroll downwards for every time I expand a folder. For each day you delay a fix, think of how many minutes are lost from every worker using Windows around the globe.

Posted by g00p2k on 11/16/2011 at 8:09 AM

Still an issue. coworker is having issues with file management due to this issue.

Posted by PuterPro2 on 11/9/2011 at 5:42 AM

I work on Win7 Computers nearly all day. Much of my time is spent in Windows Explorer. When I first say this I was SHOCKED and thought the mouse was broken or there was a driver bug in the mouse or ~Shutter~ the Display driver.

I cannot BEGIN to describe the special hell this has caused me in so many different ways. The others here have documented the ways it has affected them, and how it can corrupt work and workflow, I won't repeat their efforts, but I WILL repeat their MESSAGE ...

MICROSOFT, THE ENGINEER (and I use the term advisedly ...) {AND THE MANAGER WHO APPROVED IT} RESPONSIBLE FOR THIS SHOULD BE FIRED! NO, SCRATCH THAT, SHOULD BE BEATEN AND FIRED!

YOU NEED TO FIX THIS! I cannot believe that the users who work at MS haven't risen up en mass and stormed the palace gates over this one. This is such a BASIC FUNCTIONALITY ISSUE it should have been handled as one of the first bug updates, and CERTAINLY by SP1. Absurd. Simply Absurd. To force your Users into a Third Party solution to fix a basic function? Some Manager there is whacked.

Posted by Marcio Boldorini on 11/6/2011 at 1:23 PM

Hello,

It doesn't make sense the treeview's structure changing position after opening a folder which the amount of subfolders doesn't fit from one folder until the bottom of the treeview.

The consequences are drastic:
1. Enormous wasted time by moving the mouse position every time the situation occurs.
2. Loss of logic, once the nodes are displaced.
3. Loss of eidetic memorization, once and interface's bondary changes position.
4. Frustation of users, that is the worst for your business.

I do recommend that the creation of an option on which you are enable this functionality (moving folders to fit to screen) and leave the functionality (expanding beyond the bottom) as default.

Kind regards,

Posted by jerrykco on 11/2/2011 at 10:38 AM

I ran into this in the Open dialog in a 3rd party app and thought it was that app until I saw this thread. Please Fix This!

I saw a likely related issue that could be dangerous. A user would right-click to copy a folder and suddenly a different folder was selected. The user could copy the wrong folder and not be aware of it.

Posted by joema2 on 11/1/2011 at 8:28 AM

The current behavior creates a "Whac-A-Mole" user experience. Unpredictably the navigation pane will jump around. When dragging and dropping files to the navigation pane, it can jump at the last instant, causing the files to end up in the wrong place.

Uncommanded, the current folder will jump away from the mouse position. What possible UI rationale exists for this behavior? It is unpredictable, confusing and counter-intuitive. It serves no beneficial purpose. It diverges from prior Windows UI behavior and common sense.

Posted by Douwebrolsma on 11/1/2011 at 1:40 AM

Hi! - in temporary solutions 'mikasaurus posted a solution of sorts

In file explorer, press alt to show menu - > tools - > folder options and untick "automatically expand to current folder" in the navigation pane options. Seems to work so far :/ though only tested on a few folders '

Makes a bit of an improvement at least.
Thanks mikasaurus!

Still would be better if the list jumped the other direction like it used to. Which was very useful!
Please Fix this!!!

Posted by JeanD on 10/31/2011 at 7:26 AM

In addition to this bug there is another possibly related bug that is extremely annoying. I find that when I am working with Windows Explorer in Windows 7 the tree in the left hand pane will suddenly jump to a seemingly random location often when i am just about to click on a folder to expand. the result is that I end up opening some other folder that I had no intention of opening and then I have to scroll back to where I was.

I am also annoyed by the fact that Windows Explorer in Windows 7 does not function in the same manner as it does is Windows XP. One of the features of Windows Explorer that I really liked was that when you would single click on a folder in the left hand pane it would expand the contents of that folder. That feature was one of the most useful features introduced in Windows XP and its gone its gone in Windows 7.

In general I do like Windows 7 very much but Windows Explorer is horrible in the way it behaves and I feel it needs to be fixed, hopefully to work much more like it did in Windows XP.

Posted by XeniaRick on 10/30/2011 at 9:25 PM

I just bought Windows 7 SP1 and was beginning to think MS had hit a home run. Everything seemed much more friendly compared to XP. That is, until encountering this "feature". You've got to be kidding me!!! There is nothing intuitive or useful about this functionality. 5 minutes into using Windows Explorer and I'm so annoyed I could just scream! I use Windows Explorer ALL THE TIME. Microsoft, FIX THIS!

Posted by bblackmoor on 10/29/2011 at 10:35 AM

I am told that Windows 8 still has this bug. You have GOT to be kidding me.

Posted by jamesongroves on 10/26/2011 at 1:32 AM

Please listen to your users MS and fix this issue. You cannot call this a feature as it works in a completely unexpected and unless way, how can expanding a folder, then having to scroll down every time be a useful feature? I would like to see the reasoning behind this "feature".

Stop messing about and just fix it, it surely cannot be that hard to trace down and fix, just do what your previous 6 versions of windows have done!!!

FIX IT, FIX IT, FIX IT... Please.

Posted by RZ2222 on 10/22/2011 at 12:13 AM

Unfortunately managers in MS do not realize what could make their products great -> user satisfactory. I am afraid they have to make a long way until they come closer to the approach iApple understood long time ago. So MS guys – just continue to wonder how is it possible that i-products sell better.

Posted by brkingsley on 10/19/2011 at 8:28 AM

Very annoying. Why move the selected folder to the bottom of the window when you expand it's subfolders, immediately hiding those subfolders you intended to look at?

Posted by rjbride on 10/17/2011 at 3:21 AM

This can actually be quite a danger. You expand a folder and just as you want to click on it (or select etc) the folder jumps away from under your mouse and you click the wrong folder. The Windows 7 GUI is rather nice and an improvement on XP after you get used to it, but the explorer problem is very frustrating.

Posted by mikebaxa on 10/9/2011 at 8:51 AM

Very annoying. It is not something that happens once. It happens *all* the time. It is extreemly annoying when you add a folder, name it, and it jumps away from the cursor. You might think it is a minor issue. But it could be one minor issue that makes the final determination of what operating system you use.

Posted by elvibora on 9/30/2011 at 8:46 PM

It's shameful that Microsoft does not see fit to fix this issue. It may not seem like a major problem to them but it is to those of us who shelled out over $200 for buggy software.
As a web designer who uses hundreds of files a day from dozens of folders, the time wasted is huge in relation to lost productivity and the relating dollars lost as well. We should not have to rely on "workarounds" to get the job done.
And to quote MNewhart (9/14/2011 at 7:13 AM) "I have to constantly copy and paste files from one folder to another (create graphics to copy to web app, copy css files to use in another project, etc.). I have not only "lost" files and have had to do a lengthy search to see where they were "dragged" to, but also corrupted current projects by dropping files where they don't belong."
“Shame on you” Microsoft for continuing to roll out Beta software on your unwary users and calling it good.
It's time to stand up like proper men and women would, admit it's screwed up, and fix the issues at hand instead of continuing on to the next "great version" of Windows.
I have been a loyal user since the very early days of Windows as a hardware engineer in the early 80's - almost 30 years. I am now taking a very strong look at other platforms (read Apple, Linux, etc) to get my day-to-day operations done.

Posted by xpclient on 9/21/2011 at 10:25 AM

Why is this bug not fixed for Windows 8 Developer Preview? At least the beta then? It's there in builds before Windows 7 RTM.

Posted by Manny Faulborn on 9/20/2011 at 9:53 AM

I agree! This is absurd, this drives me crazy and it adds more gray hair to my head!
When I forget and use 7's explorer I quickly "remember" this flaw and start puncturing my skin with a needle to distract myself from this pain and so not to punch my screen and "hurt" my monitor (and my fist). I then go back and use my third party app, which is not perfect either but better then explorer for many tasks.
You might ask, why you still go back to explorer then, well, for some quick tasks I find that explorer is quick and easy, and some built in Windows functionality makes me just use it from time to time.
But again, this flaw is to say the least, sad. I hope MS fixes this soon.

Posted by johnh39 on 9/19/2011 at 12:50 PM

Please fix this time-sucking annoyance.

Posted by Krystian Bigaj on 9/16/2011 at 5:15 AM

Replacement file managers (like Free/Total/etc. Commander) is not an option. By this BUG many applications are affected (open/save dialogs, and other parts which uses shell/folder tree).

Note: Windows 8/Developer Preview - SAME BUG! If this bug will be in Win.Next/8 RTM, then there is no way to upgrade.

Posted by FaultyLine on 9/15/2011 at 11:02 AM

Microsoft, it would be REALLY helpful to get this fixed! PLEASE!!! Thank you.

Posted by MNewhart on 9/14/2011 at 7:13 AM

I have been working with Windows 7 for about 2 years. I am a Developer (C#, ASP.net, web-developer) and this feature is absolutely dangerous. I have to constantly copy and paste files from one folder to another (create graphics to copy to web app, copy css files to use in another project, etc.). I have not only "lost" files and have had to do a lengthy search to see where they were "dragged" to, but also corrupted current projects by dropping files where they don't belong. This ranks right up there with the old bug of automatically shutting down your computer and oops, I just lost 3 hours of work. Nice job on this one Microsoft. Please put back the old Windows Explorer from XP but keep the new viewing options.

Posted by RAMRod72 on 9/7/2011 at 2:57 PM

Unbelievable, this is no where near a "feature", why would a user ever want the navigation pane to act like this? There are always new things in an OS we may not like initially but we can understand the reasoning for it and eventually get used to it. That is NOT THE CASE here, MS is losing a loyal supporter if they don't do something about this.

Posted by olleholleh on 9/7/2011 at 7:09 AM

I simply cannot begin to fathom how this issue wasn't fixed a year ago???

Posted by IDmoonblade on 9/5/2011 at 12:39 AM

I'm astonished that vote counts are less than I've expected. This is a 'serious' problem.

Posted by RobWmYoung on 8/30/2011 at 7:33 PM

I'm an MOS certified college instructor and teach both Windows 7 and Office programs every day. This Windows Explorer behavior, so well described here, is both endlessly annoying and inconvenient to me, and dangerous for students who are not used to watching for this sort of UI behavior change. When you copy files by dragging, if you're not paying attention as the folder tree falls in the navigation pane, you'll end up dropping your file in a folder you didn't expect.

As the tree expands on cursor float, please leave the tree where I put it!

Posted by GloballyUniqueMike on 8/29/2011 at 6:40 AM

It is not encouraging to consider the mindset of a corporate team which would invent such obvious misbehavior in a UI in the first place, and then permit it to remain uncorrected, not even offering as much as a config preference which might be chosen to emulate the earlier intuitively obvious action which has been present since the dawn of Explorer.
It's a small thing in the overall scheme of life's challenges, but the fact that it's 1) needless and easily corrected 2) highly repetitive and 3) a real impediment to the productivity of people that matter forces it into focus as a major issue.
It's inconceivable to us that you're not understanding. So much of Windows is a brilliant tour de force of programming and design excellence. This is far, far beneath you.

Fix it, please. Fix it now. Do not delay any longer. Acknowledge the error like adults, and fix it.

Posted by Al-Brad on 8/29/2011 at 4:07 AM

"Microsoft Connect - Your feedback improving Microsoft products".

lol

Posted by Al-Brad on 8/29/2011 at 4:04 AM

I can't help but feel that adding yet another comment to this already LONG list of complaints is not going to make the slightest bit of difference. I arrived here after reading pages and pages of complaints on the web about this most annoying of issues. What irked me even more than the bug itself, was seeing a Microsoft representative on the 'social answers' website describe it as 'a feature ... by design'. What a ridiculous statement!

Anyway, apparently this is where the Microsoft Developers 'log in and listen'...??

The bug has been described at length, and people have even made YouTube videos of the behaviour.

As an IT Professional, I make use of Explorer every day, and every day my workflow is disrupted by this bug. Every professional that uses Windows 7 (Microsoft employees included?) must also be experiencing the same disruptive behaviour.

This bug report is now 9 months old, and my vote makes 339 votes in total. When will Microsoft take note and act??

The original poster has described the bug and what appears to be a possible solution. As a programmer myself, it seems like a 5 minute code fix, followed by a quick update release on Windows Update. Job done. Then we can all continue being productive again.

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MICROSOFT - PLEASE FIX THIS BUG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Posted by Hixjimson on 8/25/2011 at 3:22 PM

I don't think you folks really understand what is involved here. To change this "bug" would require some senior programmer or manager to admit his pet idea is a bad idea. How likely is that? The Perter Principal in action.

Posted by Terrence_ on 8/24/2011 at 9:07 AM

This behavior has bugged me since I noticed it when win7 came out. Can't remember if the bug was in Vista. Please fix this.

Posted by SamYeager on 8/24/2011 at 1:42 AM

I'm another one who is frustrated by this issue. I really cannot fathom the logic of why anyone would want the folder to open at the bottom of the screen.

Posted by Bolean on 8/23/2011 at 1:14 AM

Terrible, terrible, terrible!!!

Posted by Mr_Love on 8/21/2011 at 6:28 AM

This is just one of many issues that makes the Windows 7 Explorer look like a bad joke compared to that of the 10-year-old Windows XP. Can't believe it still isn't fixed.

Posted by fcutler on 8/17/2011 at 12:24 PM

This bug is extremely annoying when working with files/folders and has a real impact on productivity, I believe. The expected behavior when selecting folders in explorer is for them not to move, or at least be at the TOP of the view pane, not the BOTTOM. Also, when using the back button one would expect/hope that the previously selected folder would be where it was, or, once again, at the TOP of the view pane as I am pretty sure 99% of people work down in the folder structure. Having to scroll DOWN constantly when browsing through the folder tree is time consuming and slow. Because of the impact of this behavior I am going to use a third-party file and folder browser. This is a shame because practically every other aspect of Windows 7 is great.

Posted by Simon Pickles on 8/11/2011 at 9:02 AM

OSes should be intuitive. Ask Apple! Come on, Microsoft. Don't let us be laughed at by the Mac users any more :(

Posted by properbowen on 8/10/2011 at 6:04 AM

why is this not fixed yet!!

i thought the whole windows 7 marketing thing was about it being OUR idea. so far i havnt seen a single thing microsoft have 'improved' that i would have suggested. its just another step blackwards with a slightly more modern look.

in short, windows 7 was NOT my idea. microsoft need to stop blaming us for their mistakes.

[/rant]

Posted by Chuck73145 on 8/4/2011 at 10:45 PM

The Windows 7 Explorer "Jump" bug has cost me valuable time every day. I maintain several web sites and go from XP to Vista to Windows 7 on several machines all day long and the inconsistent behavior just kills my productivity.

PLEASE FIX THE BUG!! I love everything else about Windows 7.

Thanks.

Posted by Ted Marcis on 8/2/2011 at 11:54 AM

I ditto the comments made here. I absolutely HATE this Windows Explorer behavior and as I use Windows Explorer all day long it makes the Windows 7 experience unpleasant.

I wish to anything that the navigation tree folders wouldn't move at all when expanded or clicked, or at least that there were an option to have this behavior: I don't mind if I have to scroll up or down as the stationary behavior is a lot more predictable and less visually distracting.

Posted by jlever1 on 7/29/2011 at 8:16 AM

I'm having the same problem, as well as not being able to change folder names in the left folder view with a slow-click (the only way to change a folder name is to go to the menu and select "rename") as in ALL previous versions of Windows. Please fix this, it's really slowing me down. It is extremely frustrating that, in a time when all of us are being required to do two or more people's jobs you're making products that slow down production by not having enough flexibility. It's like you're dumbing everything down so Aunt Mary and Uncle Fred don't get confused, but there are a lot of us that are trying to work, here.

Posted by Grafin Lupus on 7/26/2011 at 12:24 PM

This is a productivity crushing bug! All this clicking and regrouping, AARRRGGHHHH!!!

It's as if General Motors made a car that sent you back to the garage every time you tried to turn!

Pleeeeeze, Microsoft FIX THIS BUG!

Posted by BigJonMX on 7/22/2011 at 5:25 AM

For the love of god - FIX THIS BUG.
AAAAahaaaaaaahahahhhhhhhhhhh its so annoying.

Also, the full list of folders only appears on the right, not on the left. so to return to the higher folder i click the back button. Does the list of folders (on the right) reappear as i left it? NO. the folder i was just in is at the bottom, so to select/access the next folder i have to scroll AGAIN.

Again: AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhh
FIX IT ALREADY

Posted by jona1111111 on 7/21/2011 at 6:39 PM

THIS USABILITY ISSUE IS JUST AWFUL. I HAVE TO GO THROUGH A LOT OF FOLDERS AND EACH ONE JUMPS DOWN AWAY FROM MY MOUSE. THEN I HAVE TO SCROLL THE FOLDERS UP TO CATCH IT AGAIN, IF I CAN FIND IT ANYMORE.

SOMEONE MUST HAVE BEEN DRUNK OR "HIGH" WHEN THEY DESIGNED THIS CRAZY FUNCTIONALITY. OR THEN THEY JUST DID IT TO BUG THEIR CUSTOMERS.

Posted by kehunlimited on 7/19/2011 at 3:27 PM

This is an amendment to the comment below. The new system is Office 2010 not Windosw 2010.

Posted by kehunlimited on 7/19/2011 at 3:22 PM

Our firm just "upgraded" to Windows 2010. We are having to review all of the firm files from year one which entails going through each file and clicking to open it and review each subfile for conformance with our other new accounting program. The movement of the file number in explorer is slowing down the process by causing at least 3-4 extra keystrokes per "click", and more lost time trying to locate what file we are actually in after the screen slides the file number down to the bottom of the screen. This is not an improvement but a major hindrance to the new 2010 system. I am definitely not recommending the program to other professional firms that I work or network with until Microsoft fixes this MAJOR GLITCH.

Posted by Alan NornIron on 7/17/2011 at 5:30 AM

When I had Windows XP I suffered from Microsoft's Outlook Express update which set my default language permanently in French! Microsoft declined to provide and 'fix'.

Now that I have 'upgraded' to W7, am I to be driven to distraction by being unable to edit my file system without great difficulty?

Microsoft, you are morally responsible for a reasonable level of customer service and product satisfaction, so PLEASE get to work and supply a remedy for this problem.

In anticipation, thank you..

Posted by MattP88 on 7/15/2011 at 4:22 PM

Please FIX this
-I Use this everyday and drives me nuts
-How could anybody say this is a "feature", what possible explanation could there be that this provides benefit
-Does MS eat their own dogfood?!?! Why isn't this driving Microsofties crazy?

Posted by DrRHF on 7/15/2011 at 7:22 AM

I concur with the other comments; this is an extremely annoying bug.
Apparently, Microsoft has adopted the position: "If you can't fix it, feature it."
Good grief, guys! Please repair this.

Posted by Doug-Perth on 7/15/2011 at 1:11 AM

This bug drives me nuts every single day! Do Microsoft developers use Linux or something?? Otherwise it would drive them nuts too.

Posted by mgrosslein on 7/14/2011 at 7:52 AM

how many years can it POSSIBLY take for Microsoft to fix a scrolling issue??

Posted by Podraig on 7/14/2011 at 7:50 AM

For the love of god and the whole humman race!!

FIX FIX FIX FIX FIX

FIX IT Microsoft!!

WHY WHY WHY would you do this!!

(If the folder has been expanded once, the second time it works fine!!)

Posted by OwenW_ on 7/12/2011 at 12:09 PM

It is beyond ridiculous that this problem exists at all, and it is inconcievable that it has not been fixed yet. What idiot thought it would be a good idea if Windows Explorer hid all the folders in the folder you just double clicked below the bottom of the screen?

I am really happy with Windows 7 in many other respects, but this is just asinine. I cannot imagine the Microsoft employees like it either.

Posted by jmirenda on 7/6/2011 at 1:37 PM

Do you guys think they use Windows 7 at Microsoft?

To have this specific situation which is so egregious and pervasive from an everyday use perspective continue for so long clearly indicates to me that everyone over at Redmond must still be using XP. (or Maybe they use MAC)

Or maybe MS just doesn't care...

Posted by NJohnson9402 on 7/5/2011 at 2:45 PM

Allow me to add my complaint and 250th 'vote' to the long list of complaints about this bug. Fix it!

Posted by rfix78 on 7/5/2011 at 10:14 AM

Please fix this mistakenly beleived feature. This is a bug since it is clear it BUGS your truest and most establised clients. So much time in the work day lost to waisted scrolling. I've spent years establishing habits that quicked the pace. You have successfully defeated me with this change.

When training my clients, my response to thier questions, "It's a new bell and whistle, only they cracked the bell and the whistle blows a little high pitched causing the dogs to bark."

Posted by BigJonMX on 7/1/2011 at 12:08 AM

Does anyone from Microsoft read this site? Do you know of a better way to give feedback?
This BUG is so annoying i resorted to 3rd party software, so can i get a refund? Lets see: unusable? i guess not, timewaster? definately! I'd say 30second tasks now take 45seconds - thats a 50% increase. I'd say 10% of my time is spend browsing/finding files. So of my 10hour days, MS is costing me 30minutes. At 60€/hour it means MS owes me €840 this month alone.
You better fix this - by the time my lawyer sends you the bill you'll be in more debt that the american government.

PS. FIX THE DAMN BUG
PPS. "damn" is NOT swearing.

Posted by mlennox on 6/20/2011 at 1:53 PM

Please fix this horrendous bug, it renders the once useful folders view completely useless and forces us to navigate blindly again. We should not be penalised for our conditioned usage - double-clicking on a folder should expand it in place, not scroll the left pane randomly.

If you hit the arrows it seems to work as expected but I will invoke Fitt's law and point out that trying to hit a tiny arrow as compared to a much larger folder name requires a lot more thought and dexterity - why make life MORE difficult for your customers and users?

Posted by UG408715 on 6/15/2011 at 12:47 PM

Since W2K the Windows Explorer (WE) got worse and worse ;-)

WE on SRV 2008 first troubled me as it has the same BUG. I hoped W7 includes a real good WE. But it is the same (in new clothes).

THIS B U G raises my pulse every time I use the system to do real work - which is 99,9% I use it for. I am not interested in all those fancy things like MultiMedia Support, watching movies, playing Games and other fancy things W7 offers. When, getting folders and files structured and versioned, turns out to an old style point and click adventure like Monkey Island I get embarrased. This BUG is wasting my time. Especially when dragging folders results in placing stuff ... : ... somewhere. Just because folders open suddendly and the tree moved ...

There are so many benefitial things new versions of WE could offer.

One of the long missed things was the simple option for creating new Folders from within the left pane. Took ~ 15 years ...

But in general, when adding new features and behaviours, why not making them configurable?

I want back the old Treeview lines - they helped to orientate. I do not like the dynamic refreshes of the treeview (i.e. the blending in of arrows for folders having subfolders on mouse over - just show them always). Others might think of other features they requires or prefer. Just make it available as options.

But first, please remove this BUG.

To clarify this BUG:

1. It is OK, clicking the mini arrow in order to expand a folder (which was not opened in the current WE session before) - the behaviour is as expected, provided, the folder has not been selected before clicking the arrow.

2. It is a pain in the ... when, instead, double clicking the folder name of the treeview as the tree starts moving like a drunken sailor. Unfortunately, this double-clicking is usual behaviour of users - regardless, if caused by habits or by a preference to click the largest "button".

However, my fear is, that MS will ignore all this. It's like the Ribbon story ...

Posted by Darren Whobrey on 6/15/2011 at 1:42 AM

What was the thought process in MS QA that passed these bugs as acceptable in such a central application?

Posted by vivbob on 6/14/2011 at 2:18 PM

I have been forced to give up 5 minutes of my time in the vain hope that it will save me hours and hours of wasted mouse moving time in the future. Sort it out you numpties!

Posted by Mr. CJ on 6/13/2011 at 11:22 PM

Just counterproductive. Windows should not add more work for the user, but less. I.e. very annoying

Posted by Krister L on 6/10/2011 at 12:09 PM

Fix this, please!

Posted by Chris N81 on 6/5/2011 at 12:51 AM

I just built a new PC and I've used Windows 7 for one day. This is the future?

One day and I've come across 3 bugs in Explorer, two of which are claimed to be "features":

1. This issue.

2. If the left column has focus, the right side won't scroll when your mouse is over it, you actually have to click the right side and give it focus before it will scroll. Seriously? I have to install a 3rd party app to get a usable scrolling experience?

3. The first time I expand folders in the left column to create a scroll bar - this is what happens when I scroll to the bottom and keep scrolling: http://i.imgur.com/VBjFc.gif

I'm sure I'll get used to all this stuff over time, but these are legitimate issues where productivity suffers, and one honest to goodness bug. You have managed to make browsing one's files harder than it was in 2001.

Posted by Mike Soultanian on 6/2/2011 at 8:10 AM

This is ridiculously annoying!! Please fix this... please!!!

Posted by UBeierlei on 5/26/2011 at 4:20 AM

It is not a real bug, but an annoying decline of Windows Explorers usability.

Posted by besc on 5/23/2011 at 2:13 AM

This is definately a bug, not a feature! I am trying to find a sollution since i Installed Win7RC the first time.
Every few months (no, i didn't get used to this "feature"), I am trying to find a fix for this issue.
This is a BUG, not a feature!
AND IT'S MAKING ME SICK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11!

Posted by Les Ferguson on 5/21/2011 at 7:08 PM

...don't press tab when editing...

in my usual browsing behviour it is a natural action to click on a folder to see its contents in the detail pane, then decide that it is where I want to go, hit the expand button to start navigating down the tree, and it drops out of sight.

The only real workaround here is to use the detail pane and double-click on folders to navigate into them. It kind of makes the tree view unusable for navigation, but great as a pretty summary view of your directory structure.

Posted by Les Ferguson on 5/21/2011 at 7:06 PM

The problem with:
"Possible workarounds: 1. Click on 'expand triangle' first, and then focus node."
is that in my usual

Posted by bradje on 5/17/2011 at 1:44 PM

Y'know, I get the feeling no one is listening.
JB

Posted by Grognard on 5/17/2011 at 12:25 PM

I agree with everyone on this issue: opening up the folder is done to navigate to a sub-folder. Hiding the sub-folders when you open a folder is horrible. It makes Win7 SLOWER TO USE than WinXP. Please fix this ASAP.

Posted by stevenurse on 5/14/2011 at 9:03 PM

Like others here, I too just signed up to vote for this bug.This bug has been anoyoying the heck out of me since I started using windows 7 6 month ago. I mean common guys, explorer is the most fundamental part of windows. Wth all the bells and wistles thathave been added to window's over the years it seems you have completley ignored explorer.

Get it fixed and add some more features please... but don't fix what aint broke, thanks

Posted by Jason M Williams on 5/12/2011 at 12:39 PM

Registered just to vote for this issue. Maybe we need to start a facebook group on this and begin inviting friends to come here and register as well. How many votes does it take to get this noticed?

Here's to hoping....

J

Posted by Murtaza Sharif on 5/10/2011 at 4:00 AM

I don't know the reason behind this folder tree jump... It is a hell annoying bug... please fix it as soon as possible

Posted by manwood on 5/4/2011 at 12:42 PM

Please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please fix this BUG.

And yes, it is a BUG. One of the most endlessly irritating bugs I've ever come across. Every single day I curse this bug. Fix it. Please.

Posted by GaryAAG on 5/1/2011 at 8:29 PM

Wow, very irritating. And surprising that this very visible bug was not detected and squashed before release. Even more surprising, it hasn't been fixed yet! This isn't exactly a complicated issue. Should be a quick and easy fix for an embarrassing bug, what's taking so long?

Posted by gru2 on 4/17/2011 at 9:09 AM

I will just add my voice to the complaint about folder opening behavior in Windows 7. It is time to fix it, Microsoft.

Posted by Microsoft1234 on 4/15/2011 at 8:47 AM

I just upgraded to Windows 7 Enterprise from XP.

This is the first thing I noticed as I started playing around with Windows 7.

It's the most annoying bug (or feature???). Please fix it so that the Explorer will behave just like XP or Vista.

Posted by nigelh59 on 4/12/2011 at 2:43 AM

This is a bug. Not a feature, it's a BUG. I can see no way this behaviour could possibly benefit anyone under any circumstances but instead it is intensely irritating. In my book, that makes it a bug.

BTW, have I mentioned this is a bug? Please fix it.

Posted by bendownse on 4/8/2011 at 5:21 AM

This "bug", erm, "intended functionality" alone makes me detest windows 7. GUI controls jumping away from you is SOO obviously wrong.

Posted by ghSea on 4/4/2011 at 8:52 AM

It is Inexcusable to have not fixed this yet, much less let it go out the door in the first place. This behavior is disorienting, it increases errors, and forces the user to take additional steps to achieve the simple original task of vieweing the contents of a folder without moving from pane to pane. The Shakers, in their blessed wisdom, based a lot of their design on the principle that removing frustrations, and thus, reasons for swearing, helped them to live closer to their God. (All developers - especially @ Microsoft - could take a lesson from this!) A this point, this "feature" has taken me so far from any god that I might have had, I might as well resign myself to hell. Wait - I'm already there, click-scroll, click-scroll, click-scrolling in the lefthand pane, just to stay in one place. Please, somebody at MS get take this seriously, acknowledge the problem that it is, and fix it.

Posted by bertrem on 3/29/2011 at 2:53 PM

This bug is beyond infuriating. It is easily enough to keep me using XP on all machines on which I have a choice. At work I have no choice and frequently end up distracting coworkers with long strings of profanity directed to Redmond, WA.

MS: i refuse to believe that you're truly imbecilic enough to think this is a "feature", but if you do, then may apple and google squash you from this earth as you deserve. More likely, you know dam* well it's a serious bug, but you're too lazy to bother doing anything about it. Get your heads out of your collective backside and FIX IT! Hundreds of people have reported this year after year with abolutely no discernible action from your side. Window7 was NOT my idea; it's an unrelentingly irritating load of crap.

Posted by Igor Bodnar on 3/28/2011 at 5:16 PM

Hey, Microsoft! We are still waiting!

Posted by Joel Harris on 3/24/2011 at 7:26 AM

This cannot possibly be described as "by design" when two methods of performing the same task result in different behaviors. Clicking the hit target to expand the folder tree results in the desirable, expected behavior while double clicking a folder name results in the undesired hiding of the folders.

Microsoft, please address this concern.

Posted by GuyGG on 3/23/2011 at 4:09 PM

This problem is unbelievably annoying to anyone trying to work with a great many files and folders. Once you've had to scroll the folder list up a few hundred times, it kinda gets just a bit frustrating.

Microsoft, there is no possible way you can define this as intended behavior. If you are, you're delusional. This is most definitely the wrong way for Explorer to behave. It's the most frustrating glitch I can recall in Windows/Explorer in semi-recent memory.

There's a completely crazy work-around of tweaking a reg setting to remove the Favorites entry from the top of the left folder pane that seems to work for me (but it causes an odd graphics glitch if I move the cursor up to the top of the list where Favorites would have previously been - a side effect I'm more than happy to live with to fix the incredibly annoying folder scroll bug).

Put simply, this should have been fixed in SP1 (or sooner, for that matter). It's depressing that such a frustrating bug has hung in this long. Then again, look how long the "Apply To All Folders" ridiculousness hung around up through XP...

Posted by mc66 on 3/20/2011 at 12:01 PM

I'm working with Win7 now for a couple of weeks. At the beginning I thought I would never get used to the new UI. But now I think there are some good ideas implemented and i enjoy working with it except for this one VERY ANNOYING 'feature'! I can hardly believe that this behaviour is by design although a large number of forum entries all over the net suggest right that.
Please Microsoft fix this! I don't want to spend my time searching for folders that I just clicked on. Just let them stay at the place they were when I clicked on it. Just the way it was in all the other windows versions.

Don't change things just 'cause you think this would be a good idea. Don't try to 'help' people where no help is needed. If I want to move a folder down I will do it myself! I don't want it to move away from my mouse so that I have to follow it.
STOP THIS DAMN BEHAVOIUR!

Posted by Jacques de Molay on 3/18/2011 at 10:23 AM

I manage large construction projects, and filing electronic documents in a major activitiy for me. This "feature" makes my job significantly harder because my documents are placed in a very prescriptive folder/subfolder system. I'm constantly clicking into random folders becuase Windows Explorer jumps without warning just before I click on the folder that I do want. I can't understand how the feature would benefit anybody who really makes extensive use of Windows Explore. I stumbled onto this Web Page because I went looking for a solution

Posted by blackworx on 3/13/2011 at 9:50 AM

I fear this bug will become Windows 7's equivalent of XP's "tooltips hiding behind the taskbar" saga, or the "Apply to all folders" option button that never worked all the way from 95 to XP - i.e. always there, always being moaned about, but never fixed.

At the moment I'm using ClassicShell, but as pointed out elsewhere it's not a complete solution. The most annoying occurence of this misfeature is in the standalone treeview dialog which is used by many applications (e.g for setting output folders etc.). Click SCROLL, click SCROLL, clickety SCROLL ... AAAAARGH!

Dear MS devs: if you keep saying this a feature then you are fooling nobody but yourselves. Most of the people reporting this misfeature are power users, devs and admins and you should listen to what they are saying. PLEASE!

Posted by opieandy on 3/7/2011 at 5:48 AM

This is a terrible non-feature, and if it is truly working as intended, I fear for MicroSoft's future.

Posted by Shane W1 on 3/6/2011 at 4:21 PM

With so many more files these days, at least 100,000 MP3s etc etc, I would like to navigate through my system and all its external hard drives with ease as I have always done, well since file manager in windows 3.11.
File trees and their sub folders and their sub folders etc etc should be displayed when i expand them instead of having to drag them back up from below the open Explorer window just to open another sub folder and have it all disappear again!
What with our ever expanding storage capacites and increasing file structure are we now supposed to store all files in the main directory just so we can navigate them properly???
Seems a strange time to develop such peculiar behaviour.

Posted by skurge13 on 3/3/2011 at 9:55 PM

I also registered just to vote for this bug. I am so disappointed....I waited and waited, expecting SP1 to fix this issue, but no dice. It is extremely aggravating to have such a heavily used function not work properly. It used to work just fine in previous versions of Windows, how the hell did it get screwed up, and why on Earth has it not been fixed by now?!?! Just so frustrated by this, but I've given up on MS ever fixing it. Total Commander, here I come.

Posted by DEberly on 3/3/2011 at 2:10 PM

I registered just to vote for this bug.
very annoying

Posted by M___P on 2/24/2011 at 5:37 PM

I is not so difficult to admit when you do a bad design design. Please fix it and you will be forgiven for that bad decision.

Posted by Terry Thibodeau on 2/13/2011 at 3:07 PM

Windows 7 Service Pack 1 does not fix this issue. :(

Posted by costinel1 on 2/9/2011 at 11:11 AM

Guys, please also vote up for this bug, even if it appears as 'closed wont fix'. Thank you! I'm sure you miss that feature as well as me.

https://connect.microsoft.com/WindowsServerFeedback/feedback/details/313066/explorer-should-expand-folder-tree-the-windows-xp-way

Posted by Windows7IsUseless on 2/9/2011 at 9:28 AM

I hardly noticed this stupid "feature" after trying to deal with all of the other annoyances with Windows 7. With all this power available, why is using computers getting harder instead of easier? Can MS really not recognise that a balance has to be struck between innovation and consistency? Or is it just marketing and the market that drives stupid changes to the way we do things?

Posted by ScottyBlues on 2/7/2011 at 8:25 AM

I find this highly annoying as well. When I expand a folder by clicking on the little triangle, the folder stays just where it is--as I would expect. It's only when double-clicking on a folder to expand it that the folder is scrolled to the bottom of the pane. I would prefer the folder to stay put. My second preference would be to scroll it to the top of the pane so I can see the subfolders. Scrolling to the bottom of the pane so that the subfolders are hidden seems to be the worst possible choice.

Posted by Jiia on 2/6/2011 at 3:04 PM

This same auto-arrange bug affects the right panel also:

http://koti.mbnet.fi/jgallery/muut/autoscroll.jpg

So actually you have to click four times to open a single folder. This is the most annoying feature in Windows 7 and still after one year they haven't fixed it.

Posted by aips on 2/4/2011 at 3:00 AM

This has been irritating me since the very first time I used Explorer in Windows 7. Why did they change something that worked perfectly well before, and why do they continually dismiss bug reports, claiming that the fault is "design intent"?

This is a very bad bug, and Microsoft's response to is has been absolutely appalling.

Workaround info (using third party tool) here:
http://social.answers.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/w7files/thread/3517986c-b761-4bde-8cff-3fa96f52694f

Posted by Brian Borg on 1/29/2011 at 3:10 PM

I can verify this behavior. We shouldn't have to resort to third party tools to fix it.

Posted by ruggb on 1/29/2011 at 4:03 AM

MS really knows how to aggravate its customers - especially the ones who put it on the map - geeks.
This has been a HOT topic since Beta - AND it is not the only issue with WE. How about fixing:

1. left pane doesn't follow right pane so if you drill down in the right pane you can't copy/move/whatever a file/folder to a folder under where you started from in the left pane until you drill down in the left pane to the level you are at.

2. Nasty habit of WE to highlight BOTH a file/folder in the right pane AND a folder in the left pane. Think you are going to delete the right pane folder/file - SURPRISE - the left pane folder gets deleted.

---- recover, swear, wish there was an alternative. There are BUT unfortunately, they can't/don't do exactly what WE does so it is another learning experience. -- This is just a way for MS to support third party applications and to create jobs. So what is the REAL cost of Windows 7 OS?

Posted by Mike Tanis on 1/28/2011 at 5:37 PM

Windows 7 Explorer is job security for Microsoft's Indian Help Desk associates. For the rest of the world it's a productivity-sucking black hole of nearly infinite proportions.

-Mike Tanis
Medford Wisconsin USA

Posted by Sloan Thasher on 1/27/2011 at 5:28 PM

I've been reading post on this issue going back over a year. There was only one comment from someone at Microsoft, and that was over a year ago.

Since then, no solution, no comments -- Maybe you should change the tag line above from "Your feedback improving Microsoft products" to something more truthful.

And maybe, just maybe you will fix all the bugs before trying to sell us the next version with all of it's new bugs.

I'm tired of having to pay for buggy software that never gets fixed! Glad you guys don't make cars....

Posted by DustinB125 on 1/26/2011 at 6:50 AM

I am about to switch to Linux because of this issue. It is irresponsible for Microsoft to not correct this productivity inhibiting bug.

Posted by babaloomer on 1/24/2011 at 11:25 AM

please, microsoft, this is the only thing preventing me from actually buying a copy of windows 7.

Posted by flarkit on 1/24/2011 at 2:51 AM

I'm stunned that this bug would get past the QA testing process!

Posted by johnmcgrath on 1/23/2011 at 4:26 PM

Please, Please fix this. it is driving me nuts!!

Posted by Wilty on 1/21/2011 at 12:45 AM

Great detective work here. Shame on you Microsoft for ignoring this bug for so long. I foolishly expected a fix about a year ago when there was so much initial outcry over the issue.... Now I just feel like we are being laughed at.

Posted by Mar Dolor T'Den on 1/17/2011 at 5:24 PM

This has been arounf for 2 years. It is ognored, and the "it's by design" excuse is so sad ... Judging from what I've found at the social forum and everywhere else ... if people aren't discussing it more is just because they've given up : we all know that microsoft won't fix this.

Posted by Thomas Edwards - Huntsville on 1/7/2011 at 5:22 PM

I agree with the others. I thought I was doing something quirky. Sounds like it was Win7 all along. I had never isolated and described the behavior as well as these folks. Well done Ivo.

Posted by vaindrake on 1/6/2011 at 11:48 AM

The problematic behaviour in Explorer, as explained very nicely in this suggestion, is very irritating and utterly illogical.
I would at the very least wish that the Explorer stopped moving anything around when I'm expanding folders in the left hand pane (the "tree"). I actually prefer that to the current situation, because at least I know how to handle that and it is logical.
My work collegaues grow tired of me complaining about Windows 7, but as they eventually hit this snag themselves they can but agree.
When doing my job, I am spending more time than necessary on a W2k8 server issue, simply because Explorer behaves in an idiotic way. Do you think the brass like that explanation? And they are wise enough to realise that their technical staff know what they are talking about.
Please rectify the improper behaviour of Explorer, thank you.

Posted by betamonkey on 1/5/2011 at 7:25 PM

Totally agree with the comments - nice example video.

I've been following this problem for most of last year.
I use the Explorer left pane often, because I use the file system as desgined to store data in many folder locations.
As the top of the expanded folder list is often scrolled to the bottom of the window, even if there is ample room, I'm forced to scroll UP into view the very folders I want to access.
I'm scrolling up sometimes hundreds of times a day.
Talk about strain injury - this is frustrating the life out of me!!!

When a problem in software is *not* by design, it is called a bug.
When it *is* 'by design', it is called a design fault.

Come on Microsoft, eat humble pie, and admit to the flaw!
Then fix it.

After enduring some years of Vista, I had high expectations of 7.
Among other frustrations, this single issue is killing the experience.
Good feeling's gone...

Posted by TrekDozer on 1/5/2011 at 5:35 PM

This is an extremely annoying bug with Windows Explorer. When you are viewing a folder and expand it in the left pane to show it's subfolders, the folder is annoyingly auto-scrolled to the bottom of the pane causing the subfolders to not be shown, making it very difficult to work with.

This video shows one way to reproduce the problem:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZGdGoO7Anis

There have been a large amount of complaints regarding this issue on the Microsoft Answers forums - below is five of the several dozen threads:

1. http://social.answers.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/w7files/thread/50a81b05-da98-4d55-821d-55ffbbd0e998
2. http://social.answers.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/w7files/thread/fb07b088-bc03-42dc-a8d6-79b360154d7c
3. http://social.answers.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/w7files/thread/f1b1b8b9-be69-4c50-9405-17efd8bff4e3
4. http://social.answers.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/w7files/thread/78c18738-2818-43f7-8ca2-b3322cd8ff0d
5. http://social.technet.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/w7itproperf/thread/17a83954-8c3c-4d45-9dd6-03f6cdd1604c

Posted by Grumpa777 on 1/5/2011 at 11:32 AM

For a timeline view of a discussion on this 'by design' BUG see: http://social.answers.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/w7files/thread/50a81b05-da98-4d55-821d-55ffbbd0e998

They claim it jumps DOWN by design. Why in the world would you EXPAND a folder so you can ONLY see the TOP entry??? It should jump UP, Ladies & Gentlemen, PLEASE!

Posted by terry.thibodeau on 11/27/2010 at 2:35 PM

Very well explained. This issue is quite annoying and a popular complaint on the web.

Posted by Brian Borg on 1/29/2011 at 3:11 PM

Install the third party software, ClassicShell.

Posted by adelara on 2/18/2011 at 11:32 AM

Here's an excellent replacement that I'm sure y'all will enjoy

http://www.freecommander.com/

Posted by Krystian Bigaj on 2/28/2011 at 1:10 PM

Possible workarounds:
1. Click on 'expand triangle' first, and then focus node. You can expand by that triangle also before navigation in 'client list'.
2. Downgrade to pre-Win7 OS.
3. Wait for Windows NexT.
4. Use different brand OS.

Posted by JohnCz on 5/10/2011 at 3:02 PM

MS!
FIX IT!

Posted by Paul Min on 6/13/2011 at 12:26 PM

ClassicShell did it for me. Very easy workaround. GET IT and relieve yourself of the MISERY of this BUG (I don't work for Classic Shell. It's free BTW). http://classicshell.sourceforge.net/

1.) Unless you want to mess with Start Menu options as well, only install the "Classic Explorer" module of Class Shell.
2.) Once installed, open up the "Classic Explorer" module from your start menu, and click on the "All Settings" radial button at the bottom of the configuration window.
3.) Click on "Navigation Pane" tab.
4.) Under the 1st choice, ""Navigation pane style", click and choolse the "Windows XP Simple" option.
5.) That's it - your done. Close out of any Explorer windows you might have open. The next one you open, won't have this wonderful Microsoft Windows 7 'feature' anymore.

BTW, if you also are annoyed by the fact that the Copy/Move dialog box doesn't offer up the detailed information anymore, Classic Shell ALSO fixes that...

1.) In the same "Classic Explorer" window, click on the "File Operation" tab.
2.) Check the "Always show more details" box.
3.) You're done.
Now, when you copy or move something, the dialog box will expand all by itself to show you the details we all desperately need to see.

Hope this helps.

Posted by mikasaurus on 7/8/2011 at 10:28 PM

In file explorer, press alt to show menu - > tools - > folder options and untick "automatically expand to current folder" in the avigation pane options. Seems to work so far :/ though only tested on afew folders

Posted by Russjar on 9/1/2011 at 10:16 PM

Don't use windows sh*t.

Posted by Houbenator on 10/25/2011 at 10:55 PM

I've seen this suggestion several times:
In file explorer, press alt to show menu - > tools - > folder options and untick "automatically expand to current folder" in the avigation pane options.

FYI, it doesn't work.

Posted by Mark Gates on 10/26/2011 at 10:59 AM

FU[K YOU MICROSOFT FOR YOUR IDIOTIC WAYS SINCE WindowsXP era, FOR OUTSORUCING ENGINEERS, FOR NOT LEARNIGN FROM ISRAELI TEAM WHO DESIGNED WinXP (Microsoft Israel) WHICH AFTER 10+ YEARS (A DECADE +, BELIEVE IT?) IS STILL MORE PRODUCTIVE IN MANY WAYS, A ND I REPEAT THIS IS A FRIGGIGN BUG, NIOT A FRIGGIGN FEATURE !!!
THIS BEHAVIOR IS IDIOTIC !!!
I AM SO F-G TIRED OF MOVING FOLDERS BY A MOUSE JUST B/C A MICROSODT KNUCKLEHEAD FORGOT TO FIX IT EVER SINCE Win7 came out !! Win7 was a patch for FIAscO Vista, a patch which mostly works fine, but a few things like jumping folder list to BOTTOM?
to BOTTOM?
Can you believe this is by "design".
Whose design?
YOU SMOKE CRACK, Microsoft.

Posted by Mark Gates on 11/21/2011 at 10:12 PM

I FIXED IT!! LOOKS LIKE FIRST IN THE WORLD!

PROBABLY HAVE NO LIFE, NO GIRLFRIEND, NO NOTHING BUT I FIXED AT LEAST PARTIALLY THIS PROBLEM DRIVING GLOBAL PUBLIC NUTS! YOU START A FOLDER OF INTEREST, WHICH IN FACT CAN BE C:\ (ROOT) AS FOLLOWS:
"Explorer /n,/root,C:\SteveBallmerSux"

In this example I only need folder "SteveBallmerSux", but can be your whole drive C:\, or C:\NutJobs.

OK, now try expanding folders (in leftpane)!
They don't jump! EVEN if you view folder's contents in rightpane first, then expand it in leftpane, it behaves like WindowsXP or Vista. Either way, problem solved!

Note: this assumes that both options "expand to current folder" & "show all folders" checkboxes are off in Folder Options, but as we PowerUsers ahve already proven that got ZERO todo with Jumping Bug, I just state the fact they are unchecked here today, sometimes I reenable "show all folders" to see RecycleBin.

WOW. To thank me - email me:
[MetalBlade AT Prodigy DOT net]

I am such a GENIUS.

Just being sarcastic. Meaning - HIGHLY PAID MS SUPPORT TECHS/ENGINEERS couldn't devise this, albeit not "terminal" but best (until Win8 perma-fixes it) solution out to public!
I am an Engineer ==> "Jumping Bug" was unacceptable b/c we constantly work with gobbles & gobbles of files (Docs, CAD/Drawings, Letters, Spreadsheets, Codes/Binaries/C-code, images - Hundreds of Thousands files). I - as all you people, was increasingly intensely determined to fix problem despite catatonic bliss in which Microsoft is cacooned

Earlier proposed solutions were not attractive to me - e.g. "ClassicShell", alternate Explorers like zabkat.com/x2lite, Xplorer2, XYplolrer, and so on - I am not fond of extra bloating, and life's too short to tax my time/CPU resources on running yet another software piece. SO I was determined to find @least temporary tweak:.
I fixed my problem for a specific folder, and next will apply this solution to C:\ root which means whole drive would behave properly.

You can Paypal me $10 everyone. Can't wait to get rich.
P.S. Name is not real, email is real and NOT afraid of spam. That address is immune to any spam.
[MetalBlade AT Prodigy DOT net]

Posted by Mark Gates on 11/21/2011 at 11:08 PM

Crap! My solution stops working when foldertree in leftpane grows so vertical scrollbar appears.
Then JumpingBug is back!
Gosh. This is a bad bad bug.
I am getting ClassicShell. Enough suffering.

Posted by Michel Noxfeld on 1/18/2012 at 12:20 AM

I've been frustrated about this "feature" for a long time. However, after reading all posts about the issue and realising that there is no fix I made a last desperate attempt. I went into folder settings and checked the "single click" option(while having both "show all folders" and "automatically expand" checked), just to see if this option was better. It wasn't so I unchecked it again. Then, after this manouver, Explorer lists folders correctly, always starting at the top. Just to make sure this fix wasn't transient I closed the Explorer and restarted it. It still works. I have no idea why this works but it does. Writing software myself I do have a clue that the sequence in which checkboxes are checked can have impact on software behaviour. It might also explain why some people experience this issue while others don't.

Hope this works for all you frustrated people out there.

Cheers.

Posted by radpolon on 2/3/2012 at 1:19 PM

at least WIN 8 engineering team FIXED IT. WHAT ABOUT removed HEADERS from Vista????

Posted by Ferrograph on 2/4/2012 at 8:27 AM

Michael, your Single Click toggle trick appears to have worked for me! Thanks so much.

Posted by elysianfields44 on 2/4/2012 at 12:38 PM

Use Linux :)

Posted by JohnSL on 5/9/2012 at 7:26 AM

Michael,

I worked through your workaround - turning on single click and turning it off again - I tried all the easy sequences I could think of (different boxes checked, closing or not closing Win Explorer between steps etc) but I could not reproduce the success you had.

Reproducing the flaw is easy - you have to have opened a sufficiently long tree view to have room for it to scroll freely - then selecting and subsequently expanding a folder, with sub-folders, for the first time, will always make the tree view scroll down so the expanded folder is just at the lower edge of the visible pane, and its content folders are out of view below the lower edge of the visible pane. If you collapse and re-expand the same folder again the behaviour is not reproduced - no matter how many others you expand or collapse in the meantime - so it only happens once for each folder - until you re-open Win Explorer and then it repeats. With a sufficiently large tree of folders you can get this to happen hundreds of times, once for each folder, and it still 'remembers' which ones have been expanded and will behave 'correctly' for every subsequent expansion.

The key to resolving this is probably to look at the processing around setting whatever flag is being set once a folder has been expanded for the first time, as the program clearly does work the way user expects it to on the subsequent expanding of each folder.

The most obvious workaround is to only expand a folder when it is not the selected folder - I have developed the habit of selecting the folder immediately above the one I need to expand just before expanding it - of courseit takes 3 mouse clicks instead of 1 each time - and I sometimes forget - but it is less painful than having to scroll my tree view back up each time I expand a folder.

But MS not acknowledging that this is a bug is the most frustrating part of this - I can accept that it may be working as intended, but if it is then the intention was itself some form of brain burp - and that's still a bug. I don't have to argue the semantics of what is a bug - it's not just a programmer error - if a designer makes an error and designs in a feature that the users find to be an obstacle to usage then it's a bug, and needs to be defeatured !

Microsoft